June 26 2007 Soc & Info Tech Second Life

[15:58]  Bianca Delphin is Online

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[16:01]  You: Has anyone tried SL voice?

[16:01]  Teresa Cinquetti is Offline

[16:01]  Teresa Cinquetti is Online

[16:02]  You: I also came across a translator for SL recently.

[16:02]  You: It's called Babble

[16:03]  Melikim Losangeles is Offline

[16:03]  Parmesan Eggplant is Online

[16:03]  You: Hello Parm!

[16:03]  You: How are you?

[16:04]  You: Hi Parm!

[16:04]  You: How are you?

[16:04]  Parmesan Eggplant: hi, I am fine.

[16:04]  Parmesan Eggplant: and yourself?

[16:04]  You: Great . . .

[16:04]  You: Pretty well . . . the weather here in PA is more humid than in SL

[16:05]  You: And in Toronto?

[16:05]  You: We've had about 3 weeks of perfect weather . . .

[16:05]  Parmesan Eggplant: extremely hot today - in the 90's

[16:05]  You: I think the humidity is starting for the summer, perhaps.

[16:05]  You: Were you away from the heat?

[16:05]  Melikim Losangeles is Online

[16:05]  You: Cool in a building?

[16:06]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes, I was able to stay indoors in air-conditioned places today

[16:06]  You: sounds nice . . .

[16:06]  You: Do you see clients?

[16:06]  You: on a regular basis?

[16:06]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes, I do. I work with a school system.

[16:06]  You: Sounds interesting and varied . . .

[16:07]  Parmesan Eggplant: I mostly work with children and adolescents and their parents

[16:07]  seekoeur Atlantis is Online

[16:07]  You: Have you been talking with other people with whom you work about how IT might be used?

[16:07]  Parmesan Eggplant: most of my colleagues are quite IT challenged

[16:07]  You: In therapy? To bring people together in communications . . .

[16:07]  Parmesan Eggplant: others are quite skeptical

[16:08]  You: Perhaps it's the digital divide . . .

[16:08]  You: John Palfrey at the recent keynote in Cambridge at the is2k7 conference

[16:08]  Parmesan Eggplant: I am thinking about how to incorporate it into my work with adolescents in particular, because this is how they live

[16:08]  You: drew a distinction between digital natives and digital immigrants . . .

[16:08]  You: I suspect your peers are of the latter category.

[16:09]  You: Are the students you work with in the former?

[16:09]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes, and they can't keep up with the students....

[16:09]  Parmesan Eggplant: unfortunately, neither can most of the teachers

[16:09]  You: Technologies are adopted so easily by young people, and fluidly. . .

[16:10]  You: In the developing world, teachers are in a way the bottlenecks with digital technologies, as well.

[16:10]  Juria Yoshikawa is Online

[16:10]  Teresa Cinquetti is Offline

[16:10]  You: What avenues are you exploring?

[16:10]  You: In interoducing these technologies?

[16:11]  You: If you want to hear some key talks from the conference, there are podcasts here:

[16:11]  Parmesan Eggplant: I had seem some good therapeutic exercises online, homework so to speak, and would like to incorporate them with real life practice

[16:12]  You: that's interesting . . .

[16:12]  Parmesan Eggplant: sorry, did you mean Berkman podcasts?

[16:12]  You: I'm still getting the site

[16:12]  You: Sometimes I wonder what might occur as a consequence of the advent of these technologies - therapeutically.

[16:13]  You: In the same way that so many changes occur without being planned.

[16:13]  You: What have you found?

[16:13]  Parmesan Eggplant: I think people are already much better informed about mental health issues

[16:14]  You: That's great . . . do you see any way it informs better relations between people, especially students?

[16:14]  Parmesan Eggplant: However, there is a concern that some teens are connected with others in unhealthy ways, and learning dysfunctional behaviours, for example self-harm "how-to's"

[16:15]  You: It's hard to restrict and direct access to knowledge...

[16:15]  Parmesan Eggplant: I do however think that IT might actually be one of the better ways to engage teens, because they are reluctant to keep up with Talk Therapies

[16:15]  Parmesan Eggplant: Yes, I don't think anyone can keep out the bad advice....

[16:15]  You: Yes . . . many privilege it above much else, esepcially in talking with one another.

[16:16]  You: And teens will be teens - sometimes a kind of 'island' environment can be optimal with some teens - Olney Friends School in OHio, for example - where there are very few distractions.

[16:17]  You: I've found only a few programs which open avenues of learning in new ways

[16:17]  You: Scratch is one -

[16:17]  You: Did you work with that in cy1

[16:17]  Parmesan Eggplant: no, I didn't try it.

[16:18]  You: And there was a learn basic program I tried some years ago

[16:18]  You: But there are probably a lot of interesting programs . . . what have you found?

[16:18]  seekoeur Atlantis is Offline

[16:18]  You: Shall we talk about some of the topics for tonight?

[16:18]  Parmesan Eggplant: I haven't really explored all that much that involves actual programming.

[16:19]  You: I think other people may show up eventually.

[16:19]  You: And have you found teachers who have used it in interesting ways?

[16:19]  Teresa Cinquetti is Online

[16:20]  You: By the way, were you able to download the voice program?

[16:20]  Parmesan Eggplant: They are few and far between. We find that so many are resistant even to learning how to use assistive technology for learning disabled students.

[16:20]  Parmesan Eggplant: Yes I did download voice, but I haven't tried it out yet.

[16:20]  You: I also wanted to mention Babble - a translation program for SL - very cool.

[16:21]  You: Is your computer equipped?

[16:21]  Parmesan Eggplant: for voice? I have an external microphone, and think I am set up.

[16:21]  You: Great . . .

[16:21]  Parmesan Eggplant: Should it work here?

[16:22]  You: Not here . . .

[16:22]  You: Here's the is2k7 link for podcasts:

[16:22]  You: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/mediaberkman/?s=is2k7&searchsubmit=Search

[16:23]  Parmesan Eggplant: thank you. by the way, thanks for telling me about TED talks a while ago - great website

[16:23]  You: If you're game, let's talk a little about informationalism and capitalism . . . here

[16:23]  You: I've been watching more of TED talks recently and enjoying them.

[16:23]  You: Waht have you seen in particular?

[16:23]  Parmesan Eggplant: I found the Castells article interesting about social exclusion as a result of global capitalism

[16:24]  You: Yes . . . on quite a few levels

[16:24]  Parmesan Eggplant: Sorry, we are kind of at cross purposes, I will try to stay in synch

[16:24]  You: Let's talk about Castells

[16:25]  You: That the key issue concerning labor in the information revolution is not whether work will end

[16:25]  You: but the conditions of work are more significant than ever.

[16:26]  You: that inequaity, polarization, poverty and miser all are newly shaped in the context of IT

[16:26]  Chinadoll Lulu is Online

[16:26]  Parmesan Eggplant: ren't they also related to the culture of individualism?

[16:26]  You: He's doing work in Catalonia now, and while people there have computers, they aren't using them very fully.

[16:27]  Juria Yoshikawa is Offline

[16:27]  You: Yes . . . the culture of individualism makes work unique to the individual, as a direct result of IT

[16:27]  You: So before, workers had the ability to group together to improve conditions, but this has changed.

[16:28]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes, it is a context of declining unionism

[16:28]  You: Work has become specialized to focus on the individual, so degrees which represent knowledge, are critical these days.

[16:28]  You: Bargaining occurs on the level of the individual

[16:29]  You: This wasn't anything corporations did to break unions, but a direct consequence of the information revolution.

[16:29]  You: And as a consequence unionism has declined from something like 40% 40 years ago, to 13% today overall in the US

[16:29]  You: And less than 2% in finance and high tech.

[16:29]  You: Dramatic .. .

[16:30]  You: And because knowledge is privileged, and produced in the IT revolution,

[16:30]  Parmesan Eggplant: which is probably associated with increased income inequality and limited access to housing, health care, etc

[16:30]  You: it's very important to have degrees

[16:31]  You: and if you grow up in a barrio, for example, the odds are very small that you'll be able to get such a degree.

[16:31]  You: And by gaining degrees, and then access to specialized knowledge, you thereby gain access to housing . . .

[16:31]  You: health care - exactly.

[16:32]  Parmesan Eggplant: but apparently there is more child labour - which means more barriers to education

[16:32]  You: Yes . . . and now on a global scale . . .

[16:32]  You: But resistane to it, too, is globalized . . .

[16:33]  You: have you participated in the discussions about One Laptop Per Child?

[16:33]  Parmesan Eggplant: But is this resistance effective in helping developing countries?

[16:33]  You: I think you'll see Negorponte's keynote on the link I posted earlier.

[16:33]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes, I have been involved in those olpc discussions - very skeptical

[16:33]  You: Effective resistance now often refers to symbolic resistnace

[16:34]  You: There's a direct correlation between IT and standard of living . . .

[16:34]  You: Do you remember Rossling's video - the Swedish professor - last semester?

[16:34]  Bianca Delphin is Offline

[16:35]  You: On the other hand the OLPC will target only 8 countries initially.

[16:35]  You: They will include huge ones like China - there federal governments need to approve

[16:35]  Parmesan Eggplant: Yes, I do remember that. But it seems like cell phones have been the greatest boost to struggling countries, in that they facilitate commerce

[16:36]  You: But whether they'll help or not - is another quesiton - whole generations of people playing video games?

[16:36]  You: And targets of advertising?

[16:36]  You: Cellphones are cheaper and more accessible -

[16:37]  You: perhaps when they become mini-computers, they will help people more

[16:37]  You: I can see the OLPC as a kind of trojan horse (Negroponte is of greek origin)

[16:38]  Parmesan Eggplant: Improved communication and education are worthy goals, But are OLPC really set up to do that realistically?

[16:38]  You: He's done a remarkable thing in figuring out how to make a computer so inexpensively, and how to put it into hands of people who need it.

[16:38]  You: It should work as a fully operational machine . . .

[16:38]  You: But does it then become a delivery mechanism for programmers and corporations . . . ?

[16:39]  You: I think it's both great and potentially problematic . . .

[16:39]  You: IT comes along, adn then people innovate - like here - with all these real consequences for people.

[16:39]  Parmesan Eggplant: the developers may gain more than the recipients

[16:39]  You: have you seen Nesson's blog?

[16:40]  Parmesan Eggplant: not recently

[16:40]  You: Charlie Nesson is writing about teaching african americans to play poker . . . these days.

[16:40]  Parmesan Eggplant: why?

[16:40]  You: It teaches counting skills,

[16:40]  You: It engages them with a computer interface

[16:40]  You: it's enjoyable in a competitive sense

[16:41]  You: He asks "What happens when the US government turns its back (once again) on AFrican Americans?"

[16:41]  Parmesan Eggplant: whether it is ultimately productiveis another story?

[16:41]  You: How can one assist them?

[16:42]  You: He does this in collaboration and consultation with Ogletree, another Harvard Law Professor (and African American)

[16:42]  You: But I can see it as a kind of metaphor, too

[16:42]  You: When people start using computers, they start to think in different ways, and

[16:42]  You: it offers them a way to participate in a system.

[16:43]  You: One can go to an infinite number of web sites.

[16:43]  You: One can bank, and go to teh library, and find out health information, and go to university, much of it for free.

[16:44]  Parmesan Eggplant: Yes, it is amazing. Yet sometimes I wonder if I have become less focused and productive as a result.

[16:44]  You: I'm not sure if this is what Nesson intends, but if one learns how to play poker on teh internet, metaphorically, one might devise ways strategically to turn it to one's advantage.

[16:44]  You: Poker teaches strategy.

[16:44]  You: Good question, Parm -

[16:44]  You: what do you think, and if so - given that it's here - what to do about it?

[16:45]  You: IT's offers so many possibilities for learning.

[16:45]  You: But people need initiative, and the ability to self-direct.

[16:45]  You: to learn these skills . . .

[16:45]  seekoeur Atlantis is Online

[16:46]  Parmesan Eggplant: I don't know, I personally have to set limits on myself - because it is so open-ended and addictive.

[16:46]  You: And the roles created by these technologies are not always conducive to learning these skills.

[16:46]  You: I know what you mean.

[16:46]  You: I look at the local libary here in Pittsburgh

[16:46]  Parmesan Eggplant: People complain that are children have decreasing attention spans are a result of these technologies, but that started with TV

[16:47]  You: It's well endowed - Carnegie gave lots of builings and money...

[16:47]  You: Yes, that started with TV

[16:47]  You: Adn there are public computers with a 1 hour limit, but wireless is coming very slowly

[16:48]  You: and when one has one's own laptop and starts to 'travel' with it - it opens up worlds (and is addicitve).

[16:48]  You: I'll try to point to some data about how children are using it.

[16:48]  You: What's remarkable is that children are growing up with it from the age of 3.

[16:48]  Parmesan Eggplant: i would appreciate that - I haven't found any good studies.

[16:49]  You: And in the states and probably Canada - basically everyone has it

[16:49]  You: and that's a pattern that much of the world is following . . .

[16:49]  You: but how will it pan out . . .

[16:49]  You: Over 50 years, for example . . .

[16:49]  You: Impossible to tell . . .

[16:50]  Parmesan Eggplant: do we know what proportion use it for other than social networking and e-mail?

[16:50]  You: So castells posits a dual america - probably canada too

[16:50]  You: Yes - the pew center has good data on that . . .

[16:50]  You: http://www.pewinternet.org/

[16:51]  Parmesan Eggplant: thanks

[16:51]  You: Including answers to those specific questions - around 70% of americans use the Internet for email

[16:51]  You: It's the most used application.

[16:52]  You: I'll have to look for instant messaging, and other networking technologies.

[16:52]  Parmesan Eggplant: Do you think university students use it appropriately for research?

[16:52]  You: I'll get you children data at a later point

[16:52]  You: Good evening arsebringer . . . how are you?

[16:52]  ArseBringer Simon: Not bad

[16:52]  Parmesan Eggplant: Hi A.S.

[16:52]  You: It opens incredible avenues for research . . .

[16:52]  ArseBringer Simon: hello

[16:53]  You: but I havne't found data

[16:53]  You: Have either of you found data on how university students and researchers use computers for research

[16:53]  Parmesan Eggplant: I think there is a learning process to finding the best research tools online

[16:54]  You: AS - have you explored the voice grid . . .

[16:54]  Parmesan Eggplant: I tend to think too many still rely on Google and Wikipedia

[16:54]  You: Yes . . and an orientation to start using them regularly...

[16:55]  You: I agree ... but to train for sophisticated research skills takes a certain kind of student . .

[16:55]  You: It's a mentality, don't you think?

[16:55]  You: AS - do you want to explore the voice grid this evening?

[16:56]  You have offered friendship to ArseBringer Simon

[16:56]  ArseBringer Simon is Online

[16:56]  Parmesan Eggplant: Yes, probably. But is all seems so incredibly easy compared to the old days....

[16:56]  Parmesan Eggplant: Yes, let's see if voice can work

[16:56]  You: Can you r computer do it?

[16:56]  You: AS?

[16:56]  You: Do you have a microphone and speakers?

[16:56]  ArseBringer Simon: erm, no it's late enough as it is, plus I can't do the optional update, it keeps crashing

[16:56]  You: Yes, Parm

[16:57]  You: Ok . . .let's try it toward the end of this session Parm

[16:57]  Parmesan Eggplant: okay

[16:57]  You: Can you see a dot above my head . . .

[16:57]  ArseBringer Simon: no

[16:57]  You: AS - what's an e-mail address for you?

[16:58]  ArseBringer Simon: bloodied_flying_torso@yahoo.co.uk

[16:58]  You: I send out regular class emails which are often useful for a variety of reasons.

[16:58]  You: And if you can get up with voice next week, that would be great

[16:58]  You: Is that possible, or do you think your machine might not have enough resoruces?

[16:58]  ArseBringer Simon: what is this session about

[16:59]  You: Thanks for your email

[16:59]  ArseBringer Simon: Nah it's probably the modem acting up.

[16:59]  ArseBringer Simon: It said switch off your forewall, and I did and it said the same

[16:59]  You: We're talking about informationalism in relation to capitalism and the digital divide - vis-a-vis long time Berkeley Professor Manuel Castells' reserach on the network society.

[16:59]  ArseBringer Simon: I'll try a fresh reboot someday and/or download the update

[17:00]  You: Can you see the little white dot, Parm, above my head?

[17:00]  You: Ok AS

[17:00]  Parmesan Eggplant: no I don't

[17:00]  You: That indicates voice . . .

[17:00]  You: It's right in my name

[17:01]  ArseBringer Simon: Actually Ihave to go. Sorry guys

[17:01]  You: We'll go to a voice enabled part after the grid, and perhaps you'll see it then.

[17:01]  ArseBringer Simon is Offline

[17:01]  You: Parm - that leaves us open

[17:01]  Parmesan Eggplant: have you tried it successfully?

[17:01]  You: to exploring the voice grid -

[17:02]  You: yes, numerous times - it's great, and quite a development.

[17:02]  Parmesan Eggplant: well, you can see how it does or doesn't work for a techn- klutz!

[17:02]  You: Well, let's see . .

[17:03]  You: Let's wait here untial a little after 8:10 in case others show up.

[17:03]  Parmesan Eggplant: those truants!

[17:03]  You: :)

[17:04]  Parmesan Eggplant: I am struggling with the print in the readers. At least on screen I can enlarge the view, but it is slow going

[17:04]  You: Have you opened the SL voice first look program?

[17:05]  You: Is it that the digitization isn't precise enough?

[17:05]  Parmesan Eggplant: sorry?

[17:05]  You: Or is it your printer?

[17:05]  Parmesan Eggplant: no, I haven't printed it

[17:05]  You: The print is too small after printing?

[17:05]  You: What if you try printing it?

[17:06]  You: Or is the advantage of enlargement too compelling?

[17:06]  You: I need to take a rest room stop.

[17:06]  You: brb

[17:06]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes, I also get hooked on rotating the view.... yes - take a break

[17:07]  Parmesan Eggplant: until 8:10?

[17:07]  Teresa Cinquetti is Offline

[17:08]  Chinadoll Lulu is Offline

[17:09]  You: Back again . . .

[17:09]  You: Are you there?

[17:09]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes

[17:10]  You: Are you in SL voice first look?

[17:10]  Parmesan Eggplant: yes

[17:10]  You: I'd like to leave a sign saying we've gone to Krysss - and I'll teleport anyone who comes . . .

[17:10]  You: Do you know how to do that, by any chance?

[17:10]  Parmesan Eggplant: sorry, no

[17:10]  You: I don't.

[17:10]  Teresa Cinquetti is Online

[17:11]  You: Ok . . if I see someone come in while we're at Krysss's I'll offer to teleport them . . .

[17:11]  Perry Proudhon is Offline

[17:11]  You: I'm going to Krysss, and then will offer to teleport you.

[17:11]  Parriah Janus is Offline

[17:11]  Parriah Janus is Online

[17:11]  You: You can also search in places on 'voice' to find other voice enable regions.

[17:12]  You: See you shortly . . .

[17:12]  Parmesan Eggplant: okay, I will want teleporting

[17:12]  You: Hello Parm:)

[17:13]  You: Hi Parm

[17:13]  You: I can hear you.

[17:13]  Parmesan Eggplant: I hear others too

[17:13]  You: Can you hear me Parm?

[17:14]  Keane Koga is Offline

[17:14]  Nuku Nemeth: /pounce mikeVanman Dagger

[17:14]  Parmesan Eggplant: aphilo, are you speaking?

[17:14]  You: Yes, aphilo

[17:15]  Parmesan Eggplant: how do we have a separate chat without these people?

[17:16]  Nuku Nemeth: /pounce mikeVanman Dagger

[17:16]  Chifufuni Qinan: sandwich

[17:17]  Parmesan Eggplant is Offline

[17:17]  Chifufuni Qinan: he can't move

[17:17]  Nuku Nemeth: *humps*

[17:18]  Parriah Janus is Online

[17:18]  Teresa Cinquetti is Online

[17:18]  Parmesan Eggplant is Online

[17:18]  No room to sit here, try another spot.

[17:18]  5th Floor: Take a seat and click the elevator seat

[17:18]  Babbler3: Aphilo: Checking for update.

[17:20]  No room to sit here, try another spot.

[17:22]  Down Teleporter: Right click me and chose 'DOWN'

[17:22]  seekoeur Atlantis is Offline

[17:22]  Parmesan Eggplant is Offline

[17:24]  Nuku Nemeth: /pounce MikeVanMan Dagger

[17:24]  MikeVanMan Dagger: hah sucka

[17:24]  Greenpeace Supporters Greeter: Thanks for dropping by again Aphilo Aarde. Come back and see us again soon.

[17:29]  Teresa Cinquetti is Offline

[17:32]  Parmesan Eggplant is Online

[17:32]  Greenpeace Supporters Greeter: Hello Parmesan Eggplant, welcome to Greenpeace Supporters in Second Life!

[17:32]  You: good day :)

[17:33]  You: Can you hear me at all?

[17:33]  Parmesan Eggplant: hi accidentally in the wrong SL - without voice, must start over.

[17:33]  You: It says it was voice enabled

[17:33]  You: ok.

[17:33]  You: If this isn't voice enabled - krysss has multiple levels -

[17:34]  You: Perhaps I'll go back there, to a different quiet level and then invite you.

[17:34]  You: But let's try here first if it's voice enabled.

[17:34]  You: Do you have a web site?

[17:34]  You: by the way?

[17:34]  Teresa Cinquetti is Online

[17:35]  Parmesan Eggplant: no, I don't -= must leave and enter SL first look

[17:35]  You: Ok . . see you shortly.

[17:35]  Parmesan Eggplant is Offline

[17:37]  Parmesan Eggplant is Online

[17:37]  Parmesan Eggplant: hello?

[17:38]  You: Hi Parm!

[17:38]  You: Couldyou hear me?

[17:38]  Parmesan Eggplant: no, I suppose you didn't hear me either

[17:39]  Shava Suntzu is Online

[17:39]  You: No I don't - and I don't see the white dots above our heads . . . the search field said this was voice enabled.

[17:39]  You: Are you up to exploring a different level in Krysss, where we know it works?

[17:39]  Parmesan Eggplant: okay

[17:40]  You: I'll offer a teleport, after I get to a different level

[17:40]  You: see you in a minute . . .

[17:40]  Parmesan Eggplant: fine

[17:41]  Parriah Janus is Offline

[17:41]  3rd Floor: Take a seat and click to ascend

[17:41]  Keane Koga is Online

[17:43]  SamBivalent Spork is Online

[17:51]  Shava Suntzu is Offline

[17:51]  Keane Koga is Offline

[17:54]  You: Hello Parm

[17:55]  You: I can see a white dot above my head, but not above yours!

[17:55]  You: Could you hear me?

[17:55]  Parmesan Eggplant: I don't see your white dot or hear you

[17:55]  You: I was speaking, and the green emitting bars work, but I don't see any sign of your voice being enabled

[17:55]  You: HMmm.

[17:56]  You: I've been continuing to speak

[17:56]  Parmesan Eggplant: no sound

[17:56]  You: curious . . . . not sure why it doesn't work . . .

[17:57]  You: Well, back to Krysss or shall we call it a night here?

[17:57]  Parmesan Eggplant: I am tangled in wires now, let's call it a night and try again next week

[17:58]  You: Sounds good . . . very nice to have class with you . . . Iet's be in touch during the week...

[17:58]  Parmesan Eggplant: Okay, sounds good. Good night

[17:58]  You: See you next week on Berkman

[17:58]  You: Good night.

[17:58]  You: :)

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